tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post852331958603096184..comments2023-05-19T09:14:04.512-06:00Comments on Smith EWL 07-08: Dorian Gray 17-20 Fishbowlanneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-28760396379043055372008-03-17T11:30:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:30:00.000-06:00Tucker - James Vane represented Dorian's fear and ...Tucker - James Vane represented Dorian's fear and inner consciense as to his actions and the way that his hedonistic lifestyle was taking him. James was his sins coming back to haunt him in a way, coming back in order to make him realize what his actions have done to him.Jackie.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08056633359868080281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-85626699118101903382008-03-17T11:29:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:29:00.000-06:00Cec, I agree with you, I think Melinda's quote is ...Cec, I agree with you, I think Melinda's quote is describing what Dorian has become, and why his life is the way it is now.ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10876865793759963584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-51026640433020597712008-03-17T11:27:00.001-06:002008-03-17T11:27:00.001-06:00also, as to why Satan did it is because Satan trie...also, as to why Satan did it is because Satan tries to bring people down and tries to give people reason to self-destruct, in order to take away from the life that God gives us.Jackie.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08056633359868080281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-39464034742271125332008-03-17T11:27:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:27:00.000-06:00Class- What do you think Henry's conclusion about ...Class- What do you think Henry's conclusion about Dorian and the experiment was? How do you think everyone reacted to Dorian's death and how he had suddenly become ugly?emilylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03322751129456493966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-11468719231726196972008-03-17T11:26:00.001-06:002008-03-17T11:26:00.001-06:00rebecca- I think that Dorian did start to realize,...rebecca- I think that Dorian did start to realize, because in the last chapters you can already tell that he was changing. And I think he killed himself because he realized that looking young and being beautiful cannot equal happiness and pure contentment.MilendaN.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00127681019688556194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-41527500893949537042008-03-17T11:26:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:26:00.000-06:00Kyle - to answer your question, I think that Satan...Kyle - to answer your question, I think that Satan is to blame in a question of whether it was God or Satan. It is God who gives him beauty, but Satan gives him the desire to act upon it, and to believe himself better than anyone due to his beauty. I believe that Satan gave him the hedonistic, pleasure seeking lifestyle.Jackie.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08056633359868080281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-52594850442814775472008-03-17T11:24:00.001-06:002008-03-17T11:24:00.001-06:00TuckerI think James represented putiry and lawfuln...Tucker<BR/>I think James represented putiry and lawfulness. He was the "right" and Dorian was the "wrong"CecilyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582105461212283136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-34797778318373039582008-03-17T11:24:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:24:00.000-06:00"Like the painting of a sorrow, A face without a h..."Like the painting of a sorrow, A face without a heart."<BR/><BR/>This can be connected to Dorian and to the painting. Dorian basically turns into the painting when he makes his wish. He is a painting without happiness and he has no soul, so he has no heart.EmmaLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04243012302942994840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-83529082528856229572008-03-17T11:23:00.002-06:002008-03-17T11:23:00.002-06:00It seems like Dorian wanted to be good and change ...It seems like Dorian wanted to be good and change when he found out that james died, because he was so scared that james might get him and kill him. But what if james didnt die would Dorian have changed or not?MilendaN.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00127681019688556194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-62583634753877932942008-03-17T11:23:00.001-06:002008-03-17T11:23:00.001-06:00Rebecca, I think that in the last couple of chapte...Rebecca, I think that in the last couple of chapters, Dorian did start to realize that his life was meant for more, but I think he may have realized too late...although I do believe that he could be saved from his sins. I'm not exactly sure if, in the end, Dorian actually did realize what his life could have been, but his own selfishness and arrogance got in the way of finally repenting and being forgiven.ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10876865793759963584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-32573099061434043542008-03-17T11:23:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:23:00.000-06:00Milenda I think that that quote is discribing what...Milenda<BR/> I think that that quote is discribing what dorian has become. His heart is gone from the evil sins he has commitedCecilyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582105461212283136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-22726158243004421912008-03-17T11:22:00.002-06:002008-03-17T11:22:00.002-06:00Milenda- I think this is Dorian's opinion of his p...Milenda- I think this is Dorian's opinion of his portrait. He is horrified of what his painting is depicting, and Dorian is a pretty face but doesn't really feel any real things, so he his the face without the heart.emilylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03322751129456493966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-78774071582185362772008-03-17T11:22:00.001-06:002008-03-17T11:22:00.001-06:00Class - What/who do you think that James represent...Class - What/who do you think that James represented?tuckerk2https://www.blogger.com/profile/03333795428057488803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-59443485555190961322008-03-17T11:22:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:22:00.000-06:00I don't think that Dorian was commiting suicide. I...I don't think that Dorian was commiting suicide. I think that in his rage after staring at that paiting for 18 years, and after attempting to change his actions to become a better person he could not think of anything else to do in order to end his misery. We know he wasn't afraid of death, but he was trying to take steps in order to become a better person. I think it just ended up that he killed himself rather than commiting suicide.Jackie.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08056633359868080281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-67464697596904164302008-03-17T11:21:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:21:00.000-06:00Dorian did not discover the truth of life for ever...Dorian did not discover the truth of life for everyone, but the truth of life for himself. He never came to terms with himself, but he discovered why his life had been so currupt. when he said things like he would rather be anyone but himself this showed that he knew that society was not everything. but when he had a feeling of relief when he found Sibyl's brother to be dead, this shows that he has no value for life, he is still selfish.EmmaLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04243012302942994840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-50248382961408932272008-03-17T11:19:00.001-06:002008-03-17T11:19:00.001-06:00class-I really like these lines that was mentioned...class-I really like these lines that was mentioned in chapter 19 "Like the painting of a sorrow, A face without a heart." what do you think about what this is saying..?MilendaN.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00127681019688556194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-6863053539941848182008-03-17T11:19:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:19:00.000-06:00RebeccaI believe that Dorian realized that beauty ...Rebecca<BR/>I believe that Dorian realized that beauty was not the answer to happiness. He hated what he had become and began to despise the "beauty" he exhibitedCecilyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582105461212283136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-16454741490073729882008-03-17T11:18:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:18:00.000-06:00Dusty - The reason why most people commit, or atte...Dusty - The reason why most people commit, or attempt to commit suicide is that they feel lost and hopeless. Dorian realized he couldn't achieve a new life and saw suicide as the easyist way out.tuckerk2https://www.blogger.com/profile/03333795428057488803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-29016877081998992912008-03-17T11:17:00.002-06:002008-03-17T11:17:00.002-06:00Katherine - I definately think that Harry lived vi...Katherine - I definately think that Harry lived vicariously through Dorian. In the beginning he had such pleasure in the fact that he had such an influence over Dorian's character. He knew what he was doing, and what he was telling Dorian. He has never lived the lifestyle that he boast, but will let someone else live it for him, just to watch and see what happens.Jackie.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08056633359868080281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-67835759118681783852008-03-17T11:17:00.001-06:002008-03-17T11:17:00.001-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jackie.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08056633359868080281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-83522478349758222522008-03-17T11:17:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:17:00.000-06:00Katherine: I think that Harry lived through not on...Katherine: I think that Harry lived through not only Dorian, but every person that he talked to. He always was trying to be an influence on the people in his life, always putting strange ideas into the conversation. It just happened that those ideas that he planted in Dorians head lead to a downward spiral for Dorian.EmmaLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04243012302942994840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-27687552860338391282008-03-17T11:16:00.001-06:002008-03-17T11:16:00.001-06:00I think it was equally Henry's and Dorian's fault ...I think it was equally Henry's and Dorian's fault for his downfall. Dorian allowed himself to be sucked in by Henry and believed every word he said. He did not look hard enough to see that Henry was not a real friend, and neither was Basil. Facing this would only add to his insecurity and make him unhappy. Lord Henry purposely tried to corrupt Dorian. He succeeded, but it was all an experiment, and he didn't want to stop his experiment.<BR/>Class- What do you think Henry's conclusion about Dorian and the experiment was?emilylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03322751129456493966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-59031168411404868592008-03-17T11:16:00.000-06:002008-03-17T11:16:00.000-06:00Class - Did Dorian discover the truth of life duri...Class - Did Dorian discover the truth of life during these last chapters?rebeccarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11756592031625220393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-36541670147358808552008-03-17T11:15:00.003-06:002008-03-17T11:15:00.003-06:00If the world is the battlefield between God and Sa...If the world is the battlefield between God and Satan, who is to blame for Dorian's "gift"? Could it have been God, trying to bring some enlightenment into the world? Or was it Satan, who would wish that darkness and evil-doings spread?Kyle B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12533149903267086671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6017061835653767044.post-71915793999379813532008-03-17T11:15:00.002-06:002008-03-17T11:15:00.002-06:00Rebecca R,I am now rethinkng my answer to Emily H'...Rebecca R,<BR/>I am now rethinkng my answer to Emily H's questions. You brought up some good points. But I think the desperation and paranoia was because he didn't want people to see what he saw... so in away he was still selfish and flawed.Courtney Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06554818508613790483noreply@blogger.com