Class- why does Shakespeare continue to use references to gardens, serpents, and weeds?
Anne- gardens are very important to Shakespeare because he likes pretty flowers.
Weems- you are supposed to be in the inner circle!
a major events that happened, that i saw, was the apperance of the ghost, and his recolection of the story of his death. but jackie just said that, sweet.
Class-other than the motive for Claudius to be king, why else would he want to kill King Hamlet?
Steven said in the discussion that Hamlet had a disrespect for Claudius . I disagree with this. I feel that Hamlet has an utter hatred for everything that Claudius is about.
Ya i agree with Leigh. Hamlet is going to grow more and more disrespectful toward Claudius since he found out what he did. I also think, looking at the movies he will seek revenge with Claudius becuase he purposely killed his father. Does anyone else think so?
Ian - I agree with what you had to say but I also think that many things will happen later on in the story due to his disrespect for Claudius. He has no respect to begin with and it is only decreasing now learning that he has killed his father.
I believe cladius killed king Hamlet because he loved gertrude because in the reading cladius seemed to be close to gertrude.
I agree that hamlet does not have a disrespect for claudius but that hamlet just feels like claudius just took his family away which has developed to hatred towards him.
emilie- i think that Claudius becuase he was jealous of what Hamlet had. Becuase of this jealousy, it took over his actions so much that he killed Hamlet
That's a really good point that the ghost is a foreshadow of something that happened or might happen. I really never thought of that while I was reading that part. So that gives us something to think about.
Emilie D- I think the reason Claudius would want to kill the king is to punish him for being the king. Claudius is jealous of King Hamlet's power, and wants to get revenge for Hamlet being more successful
Class- do you think that Hamlet's hatred for his uncle also came from an inner feeling of Hamlet. in other words, he felt that his unlce might have had something to do with his fathers death before he talked to the ghost?
emelie- Maybe Cladius killed the king in order to marry Hamlet's mother. Although considered incest, he obviously does not care about the law since he commited a murder.
class- I want to know why doesnt Hamlet want to fight his uncle in order to acheive what is right, He seems so extremely upset that about the relationship between claudius and his mother, yet he doesnt attempt to stop it
i agree that cladius and gertrude are truly in love and very close. they are almost so close that there had to of been a relationship or affair while king hamlet was still alive
annes-the references to serpents and gardens could be biblical references. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden and Satan in the form of a snake convined them to disobey God. They were banished from Eden as a result. Perhaps an event similar to this occurs later on in the book.
I think that it was interesting when we watched the movies comparing the ghost scenes because it showed different interpertations and it revealed information we might not have understood from reading the book, such as Claudius being the one responsibly for old Hamlets death
Ian - what revenge does Claudius get once he is dead. The only thing is that he is king, but can't Young Hamlet kill him then become king? What do you forsee as events between these two later on in the play?
I also think that Hamlet will seek futher revenge through out the play, however I think old Hamlet will be the main motive for this revenge. Old Hamlet will use young Hamlet to get back at Claudius.
emilie and dan- i agree with both of you. There has been nothing in Hamlet's life that would give him a reason to have any respect for Cladius. His disrepect is completley fair and relevent because Cladius killed his father, and then remarried his mother. Other than respect for your elders/family, is there ANY reason for hamlet to have respect for Cladius?
Ian- I agree and disagree. Yes that is so true he now has the hatred toward Claudius becuase he killed his father. But because of that hatred act, he does has the disrespect becuase Claudius just destroyed the family just to take over the shoes Hamlet wore.
Emily H- I think that Hamlet was suspicious of foul play before the ghost apppeared, and the appearance only reinforced his suspicions.
I think Act I foreshadows the downfall or weakening of Denmark. Their country is not only grieving the loss of their beloved King Hamlet, but now their future is in the hands of a man who lives a life of scandal, lies, betrayal. (In response to Joe’s question.)
Hamlet already didn't like cladius, I think that now he knows the truth of his fathers death will make him have more hatred toward cladius. I diagree though I think Hamlet does have disrespect for cladius, wouldn't you if someone ruined your family and married your mother?
Ashley- I think that maybe the reason he won't fight his uncle, at least right now, is out of respect for his mother. Although Hamlet is angry at his mom he still unconditionally loves her and doesn't want to dissappoint her.
Emilie D- I believe that later on Hamlet will confront Claudius and there will be a power struggle, and eventually Hamlet will defeat Claudius.
I agree with karm, I now wonder if maybe claudius had an affair with the kings wife and maybe he killed the king seeking a rekationship as well as the throne, what do you all think??
Class- The way the story is going, do you think that the main conflict will be with the Fortinbras, or withing Hamlet's own family, or with both?
class- does anyone think that Gertrude had something to do with the murder of Hamlet? I kind of think so because i think that she really wanted to be with Claudius that is why she moved on so quickly after Hamlets death.
Of course Young Hamlet is not going to like his uncle claudius. I mean he basically is taking everything away from Young Hamlet. First his dad now his mom. And especially now that King Claudius maybe the one who killed Old Hamlet. I would be so mad and my hate would grow even more.
I agree with Rebecca that act 1 fireshadows the fall of Denmark. A lot of major events happened in this, they lost their king, and the man who took over is a murderer scandelist.
Do you think that Hamlet will fight Claudius eventually in honor of his father and if so do you think that this will be the correct way of revenge? And also do you think that Hamlet has aspects of a tragic hero or a potential tragic hero?
Ashley- I think that Hamlet wants to fight Claudius but he is still mourning his fathers death and reaching out to his mother to find anwsers to why she married so quickly and why to Claudius I think eventually he might try to take what should be rightfully his
I think Hamlet may have had an idea about Claudius killing his father before he meet the ghost because of the way Claudius was acting. Claudius was not at all upset about the death of his brother and this is a little weird. It is also weird how quickly the Queen got over it. Does anyone think she had something to do with the death too?
Sean N- I agree with you. Perhaps this reference to the story of Adam and Eve is symbolic to the eventual downfall of Denmark through Claudius' corrupt nature.
shaina- The movies clips also helped create a creepy atmosphere. It was dark in a lot of scenes and there was usually a lot of thick fog. I didn't realizes how sinister the environment was by reading the book
ashley- I completely agree that claudius and hamlets mother had an affair. they have been so close during a time of mourning for her husbands death. it seems like they had to have an affair while she was still married to king hamlet
Allie – I agree that Hamlet’s ghost appears in armor because of a desire to avenge his death. This also foreshadows future violence and battle in Denmark, which is beginning to seem inevitable because of the corrupted king Claudius’s power.
Emilie your right however im confused, wouldnt hamlet be extremely angry with his mother whether he respects her or not, what she did to is father was unbelieveable, do you think that now hamlet is questioning if his mother had something to do with old Hamlets death?
Rebecca - But havn't the people of Denmark already finnished grieving, because after the wedding of Claudius and Gertrude no one was still in mourning but Hamlet. This shows that as long as the people Denmark have a King that's all they care about. Do you think that is true?
Alot is spoken about Cladius and his scandels, what about Gertrude? I mean she choose to marry Cladius, how do you think Hamlet feels towards his mother?
Iain- I agree, i think that eventually, this whole situation is going to come down to Hamlet vs. Cladius. Hamlet is going through every recent event in his life in a completely selfLESS way. He hasn't thought about his own feelings. Hamlet has cared more about his love for his mother, and his respectful background to do anything out of rage towards Cladius. He is going to have to forget about everything but himself and his feelings to confront Cladius
Emily H. - I think that Old Hamlet will fight Claudius through Young Hamlet. I think the Queen will also get involved in this.
i agree with weems. I think that Hamlet won't tell people becuase they might think that he is crazy and he has so much anger that he will think that he NEEDS to do this on his own.
Ash - That comment is pretty legit, I never really thought about it that way. In the story his mother is seen as such a soft and nurturing mother so I personally don;t belive that she was part of it because Claudius have more movtives than she does. She also loves King Hamlet alot from what the story says.
karm- I do not think that Gertrude had anything to do with, and had no knowledge of the murder of Hamlet's father. I believe that there is some other underlying force or motivation that has not been revealed to us yet that would help to explain why she married Claudius.
Class- do you guys think that the ghost is just really upset that he wants young hamlet to revenge against claudius that he's willing to say a lie?a lie that claudius killed young hamlet?.
Karm- i agree that the queen is somehow involved in cladius' plot to kill king hamlet. i dont know how but the fact she hasnt really been mourning her husbands death gives me that suspicion.
Weems- I agree with you in the fact that Hamlet will keep his information to himself about the murder of his dad. No one will believe Hamlet becuase he was talking to his "ghost" which most people will not find as legitimate evidence. Also, this is forshadowing that he will become a hero and seek revenge for his own personal mission.
Charlie – I don’t think Hamlet will tell his fellow Danes that Claudius killed his father because they don’t really have any reason to believe him and even if they did, Claudius is still the one who has all the power. He may tell a couple close people to him including his mom, but I doubt they would want to believe it because it would just cause more drama. At this point, the people just want to return to stability and this would ruin all of that.
Milenda N- I don't think that the ghost is capable of lying. It is simply a messenger sent to deliver to Hamlet the truth about how his father died.
Jake T. I agree about Gertrude. She is just as much a part of this as Claudius. She probally has something to do with the murder. I think Hamlet feels very hostile towards his mother and she is not his favorite person. In one of his monologs he keeps repeating what HIS OWN MOTHER did. Yet he does have a soft side for her because she is his mother.
Class- Do what kind of revenge if any do you think that Hamelt will take on Claudius? Do you think that Hamlet will end up being a hero and taking over the land? What do you see happening in the next acts in the play?
Karm-I agree with you but now that we know Claudius killed hamlet, we know that claudius has absolute power so hamlet tries to fight him claudius could easily have hamlet exiled or killed due to the fact that the town is completely devoted to their king. For all hamlet knows, the whole town could turn on him
Melinda - I don't think that Shakespeare would represent the ghost as that kind of person. King Hamlet was a honorable person, I don't think that he would lie for any reason. I think he has told the truth so far, and just wants Hamlet to stick up and fight for what is right in the story.
ryanb and karm- I agree with Ryan B. I think the reason Gertude got over everything so fast was because she had no true love. She seems like a gold digger because yet again, she married the king. she is living the same life now as she did with old hamlet, she had no reason to be a part of his murder
Jake- i totally agree. Gertrude isn't so innocent either. She seemed to not love hamlet anymore and that is why she moved on so fast.
Karm- I think that Gertrude and Claudius might have worked together in killing old Hamlet and that the ghost of him will reveal that to young Hamlet. Which will make him relize the truth behind Gertrude
Ian / Class - What do you think the ghost's capabilities even are? In the videos he clearly showed a lot of emotion, but what all can he do? Can he decide what he tells them? Can he talk to anyone he wants? How does he decide these things?
ryanb- I don't think that gertrude had anything to do with it either. Because when I saw Gertrude's emotion towards Old Hamlet lying on the casket. She was sad and crying. The fact that 2 months after Old Hamlet died she marries King Claudius I think she just needed someone and the fact that Claudius was there for her that is what made her be with him.
ryan-I don't think Hamlet has been completely selfless. He has been mourning and moping for a long time. At one point he wishes that suicide was not a sin. Committing suicide is very selfish. He is willing to leave his mother because of his bad situation. I'm not saying he is a bad person I just think he's selfish at times.
rebecca - i think the ghost will act through young hamlet. Hamlet will do what ever he wants.
Jake- Hamlet is obviously upset about the fact that Gertrude remarried so quickly, but maybe she has a motive to do so that we haven't seen yet.
EmilieD- well if you think about it, love is an unconditional devotion to someone and in my eyes, 3 months is definatly not enough time to mourn over someone that you supposedly love. would you marry your dead husbands brother 3months after his death?? now thats something for jerry springer right!? I just feel that her love may have been a little fake for old hamlet. However this doesnt mean that she doesnt love young hamlet, maybe she just wasnt thinking of his feelings
Karm- just because she moved on so much, doesn't mean she was guilty of anything. Gertrude could have wedded old hamlet for the lifestyle, not for true love. She remarried the new king, her love is not true love, it is a love of being a queen. she had no reason to kill old hamlet, she wasn't deprived of anything. what would be a motive for her to kill old hamlet?
emily- I believe that Hamlet, because he is a tragic hero, will end up trying to kill his uncle. I also can see Hamlet himself being killed attempting to kill Claudius. Either way, someone is going to die!
Rebecca- i believe that the ghost doesnt really have any capabilities besides the motivation that he will give hamlet that will keep fueling his fire inside. also i think he can only talk to hamlet and nobody else can interact with him besides hamlet.
Ashley- I think that Hamlet hasn't tried to fight back because he respacets his mom so much and doesn't want to treat he like that. But i think that he will eventually fight back but he needs more courage and evidence.
Ash - I agree with what you have said, but I also think that if you have the respondsibility to represent your country and be a figure that people look up to, she should be seen as strong, and confident. She weaped, but the people of her contry would tell her to pick up and move on. She is a leader and with that comes the sacrafice.
Rebecca- I think the ghost can only talk to Hamlet. I'm not sure what all he can do but I think he's trying to make up for his sins and tell the truth about his death so that maybe he can move on in his after life.
I think that Gerturde is not at all innocent. She deserves the feelings that Hamlet feels towards her. It is never chill to marry your brother in law nuh uh not cool.
Karm – I disagree about Gertrude. I think she really is in despair about Hamlet’s death, but she decides to cover it up because she knows that the people of Denmark look up to her and she knows that the greatest thing their country needs at this point is stability. I think it is just easier for her to ignore the feelings of loss and depression and move on as soon as possible in order to feel happiness again. Her desire for happiness and peace is expressed several times in the videos as well.
Ryan- your comment makes sense, however we have not gone deep enough into the story to know if Gertrude was deprived of anything, everyone has secrets so maybe we have yet to find out the truth
emilie-I think that another reason why Claudius wanted to be king was to make Gertrude his wife. The reason why I think that is because in one of the versions (possibly the Mel Gibson version) Claudius looks very jealous and upset that Gertrude is greeving over her dead husband so much. It seemed like he wanted someone to love him as much as Gertrude loved her dead husband
EM_LAY - Not Legit! I totally agree
I think the ghost can do a lot in actuality. The ghost can talk through hamlet and hamlet will do what ever he wants so a lot can be done because of the ghost.
karm- i somewhat agree that hamlet doesnt want to fight cladius yet because he respects his mother. but i think that some of that respect is gone and that he wants to keep mourning his father instead of fighting cladius. i think its more of a respect for his father instead of his mother.
Ian- I completely agree with you that gertrude may do something later in the story, she seems to not care that Hamlet is so torn up about his father and she's out celebrating with Cladius
emily h- i agree, marrying a brother in law is not cool at all, but what motives would she have to kill old hamlet? I think Gertrude is completely innocent!! She didn't have any reason at all to get rid of old hamlet!
Sorry iain I spelled your name wrong....
Em_LAY - I think that all that Lady wants is love! Who doesn't
ashley b- good point, we don't know enough of the story. but i think its going to be important, that as of right now, there was no motive to kill old hamlet, and that the reason he was killed, was out of cladius' selfish ambition, not really anything else
Ryan F- I agree. It's not like she needs more money. She's the queen.
Ryan- oh no no you misunderstood. I don't think that Gertrude had anything to do with the murder, all I am saying is that she is not innocent in her actions. She does not deserve frogivness from Hamlet for making that bad decision.
Sam- I really do think that gertrude was desperate and just really wants someone to be there. Gertrude is looking for happiness again and she is probably finding that with Claudius. but at the same time she should think about young hamlet and how he feels about the situation that she's married to his uncle.I think it would be alot different if gertrude married someone else instead of a family memeber. Young Hamlet would probably not be as upset with his mother as he is now.
shaina-If Gertrude had been in on the murder wouldn't the ghost want Hamlet to kill her as well? He tells hamlet to leave her alone.
I definately agree with allie. Hamlet is upset that no one else is greiving for his father when he did so much for his people. Why do you think that everyone but hamlet are mourning the death of a great king.
Class- Why do you think young Hamlet does not show more anger towards his mother about the death of his father, because he obviously still respects her opinions and what she wants him to do, such as staying with her and not leaving for school
Jake T- It's cool. That happens all the time.
I think that Claudius is more to blame than Gertrude because of the situation. Hamlet's mother just had her husband die, so she is emotionally frail and thus easy to take advantage of. Claudius on the other hand should know better than to take advantage of his brother's wife. It's alot like wedding crashers. It's not even fair to pick up girls at a funeral.
I agree with jake that gertrude will not do anyting later in the story. She doesnt care and i think she had something to do with the murder so why would she go back on what she did?
emily h- sorry, i did misunderstand. because on that point, i agree with you completely. good point, now i see what you mean
emilyh- i agree with ryan. In almost all the versions Gertrude seemed completley devoted to her husband while he was alive. The movies talk about how he was sick and she was there for him nursing him back to health. She seemed to be a good wife and loyal. There is no motive i can think of why she would want to get rid of him.
Sean N- Maybe the ghost doesn't want Gertrude to die. Maybe he still loves her too much to feel hatred toward her.
Ryan - OH DANG, you bring up some pretty good points, you me and em are all on the same page, chill
Ryan-_ do you think that maybe claudius killed Old hamlet just to affect young hamlet, because if the queen hadnt remarried wouldnt young hamlet have become king, maybe they question his bility to rule, there is no evidence to this but its just a thought
Shaina- maybe he doesn't show his anger because he's planning to murder Cladius so he doesn't want his mother to suspect him.
shania- i think he does show anger toward his mother. it is more obvious in the movies then in the reading. when he is by himself it shows through more, but when he is with his mother he caves in because she raised him.
I agree to an extent. Claudius should not have taken advantage of poor Gertrude. However, they are both making a pretty shady decision to get married not to mention this soon! Gertrude gives women a bad name. If she loved her husband so much she wouldn't have gotten over it in a month. However, there is evidence that she was seduced into it. In that case its not as much her fault but still like I said NOT CHILL.
jake- i disagree with the fact that hamlet is trying not to be suspicious and murder cladius. i just think that he is more focused on his fathers death and mourning him than planning a plot to murder cladius. i do think thought that in the next act or to he will get over the death of his father and kill cladius.
Ashley- That's a really good point. You kind of have to read between the lines to see it, but I can tell how it is possible.
Danielc=- ya i do agree with what you said. hamlet is to busy mourning for his father. But do you think that he will eventually do what the ghost said and kill Claudius?
Sam T. – I agree about the chaos and downward spiral of Denmark. People simply want to cling onto someone that shows strong leadership so they can feel comfortable, even if the leader is corrupt. This has happened numerous times throughout history, including when the Germans embraced Hitler and the Nazi party after World War I.
Ashley- what do you mean when you said that Claudius may have just become king to effect young Hamlet? I don't understand
Mandy – The reason why the Danes did NOT cling onto Hamlet is because he simply did not want to be king. Why would people want someone to be their leader who doesn’t want to be? Also, Hamlet was completely depressed and lost over his father’s death, while Claudius showed strength and a desire to lead his country to a new, strong future. Of course they would rather embrace his leadership.
ashley- that is a great point! i think that this whole situation is between Cladius and Hamlet, but i think mainly it's Cladius's selfish desire to be king. I believe that the question of his ability to rule could be a question, but i think its more about just being the king, and having access to all of its perks, like marrying a sister-in-law...gross
class- I don't think that Young Hamlet will tell others about his conversation with the ghost and how the ghost said that Claudius killed his father. Young Hamlet seems like the type of person who keeps his emotions and anger inside. If he can't even speak up about his anger right now towards his mother and uncle then I can't see how he can say the news about what the ghost told him.
I think Claudius killed the king for two reasons. He was obviously jealous of his relationship with Gertrude. I also think he wanted to becomet he king. Those are the two most logical explanations in my mind.
Kasey, ok so say old hamlet died, young hamlet would become king UNLESS the queen had remarried like she had done is this situation. Maybe claudius was afraid of young hamlet being king so he killed old hamlet and married gertrude, therefore young hamlet wouldnt have the opportunity to become king
Milenda- Plus if he tells others about his experiences they might not believe him, removing his credibility and possibly influencing future decisions.
Ashley- I think that Claudius absolutely married Gertrude to become king. This would explain the whole purpose of him killing his brother. Regardless of this however, I feel that Gertrude should not be blamed for this marriage since I doubt she actually wanted this.
Class – What other possible motives could have driven Claudius to kill the king? Was he jealous of his brother or did he really just want power and fame?
Milenda- I agree, Hamlet does seem the type of person too hold his emotions inside. I think he seems the type of person too take revenge (if he chooses) on Claudius and come up with a plan and execute it on his own. I think that he will do this alone without anyone involved. It's his battle to not let his dad die in vein.
ashley- that also brings up the point of gertrude being part of the murder for the same reasons.
EmilyH- I agree with you that Cladius was jealous but I can't understand why he would murder his own brother? Cladius has to know that he is the next target...
Sam- Your right. Its more obvious in the movies than the book the anger he has towards his mother.
Class -I think that the main thing that we all need to look for are motives, other than becoming the king, for Cladius to kill old Hamlet...
About Hamlet holding his feelings back, i think that he is doing it so people don't suspect something is wrong with him. Besides the fact that his mother just died.
Ashley- I think that Claudius just became King because he wanted the fame and power. I don't think it had anything to do with his doubts about if Hamlet could handle being King. I think it was just out of selfishness and greed. I don't think he cares about Hamlets ability to rule the thrown.
Jackie – I definitely agree that we need to pay attention to Hamlet’s emotions. His relationships and opinions of the people around him will be very important to Denmark’s future and who will end up with all the power as king.
Jake- well no one KNOWS that a dead persons ghost is going to come back and tell his secrets so claudius probably thinks he completely got away with what he did, and probably thinks that hamlet is clueless about who killed his father
ashley- I agree that Claudius killed the king to mess with Hamlet. If old Hamlet had died naturally many years later then young Hamlet would be much older and would be able to handle it better. He would not be disturbed by suspicion of foul play. Hamlet would be crowned king not Claudius
I agree with ryan.. there had to have been more then just being wanting the thrown.
Becca- I think that Claudius just wanted power and wanted to be king and show that his brother is not the only one who can he successful. The relationship between Gertrude and Claudius doesn't seem to be about love to me.
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